Atención: Cuando confirmes este cambio, las identificaciones serán reasignadas a los taxones de salida basados en sus atlas. Si algunos o todos de los resultados carecen de atlas, o si los atlas se superponen para un registro determinado, las identificaciones serán reemplazadas por identificaciones del taxón antepasado más cercano ( Phallus)

Taxonomic Split 74148 (Borrador)

P. rubicundus on iNaturalist actually represents a mix of P. rubicundus and P. rugulosus, with the latter being differentiated from the former by its orange-yellow rather than red color. See conversation at https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/479865.

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Añadido por jameskm en 30 de marzo de 2020 a las 05:20 PM
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@davidenrique I just committed this. It will be a little while before they all swap over.

Anotado por jameskm hace cerca de 4 años

Great, so any new P. rubicundus ID's will not be affected? or should I wait until all of them have swaped over before IDing the true P. rubicundus (will it take hours? days? how will I know?)?

Anotado por davidenrique hace cerca de 4 años

It seems to be done, but I think something went wrong. It looks like it swapped them all over to P. rugulosus. I don't know if this is something I did, or if there was some sort of error...

Anotado por jameskm hace cerca de 4 años

lol... I think the atlasing did the opposite of what you were thinking it would do. All of the P. rubicundus from Australia got turned into Phallus ID's, and all of the ones outside of Australia got turned into P. rugulosus :P

Anotado por davidenrique hace cerca de 4 años

Is this going to be reversed? How many observations are now incorrectly assigned to P. rugosus!!!

Was this the correct way to go about fixing an identification issue? Surely a far better way would have been to correctly identify the individual observations.
This tool is about taxonomic changes, not shortcuts to solving identification issues .

@loarie - is there an official view about using swapping as a shortcut for confused identifications?

Anotado por tonyrebelo hace cerca de 4 años

@tonyrebelo I made a mistake, and I would like to reverse it, but I don't know how to do that without ultimately making it worse. Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated. Is there anyone else you think would be able to help?

Part of the background was that this was a taxonomic issue; many authors have considered the two species to be a single species, P. rubicundus (thus the "confused" IDs), and others treat them as two separate species. So, I was trying to split P. rubicundus into its two parts, which is the purpose of the taxon split tool. I obviously did something wrong; I expected the taxon split to move most IDs of P. rubicundus to Phallus, except for those in Australia, which I thought it would move to P. rubicundus. Not having an atlas evidently has the opposite effect to the one I thought; instead of assuming a presence nowhere, it appears to default to assuming a presence everywhere. I think it would have been better to just have had neither atlased, in this case.

Anotado por jameskm hace cerca de 4 años

If anyone can reverse it then @loarie can: but that is your call: would reversing it perhaps not make matters more confusing. And the longer it is left the more confusing it will become with people changing IDs ..

Yes I read the discussion on the link above, and I dont know if I would have advized against it, or encouraged it.
I only became aware of the issue because all of our southern African observations were swapped to rugulosus and then someone came along and disagreed and moved them back to rubicundus (but concept nov - but that would be beyond most users).

Anotado por tonyrebelo hace cerca de 4 años

I don't have an exact number, but only a handful of observations are now incorrectly assigned to P. rugulosus. Among those are pretty much all of the African ones (less than 20 I believe), but those should be relatively easy to get back to rubicundus. Other than the African ones, there's maybe only 50 observations in the US that should definitely go back to P. rubicundus. As for Australia, there's also around 50 observations, but it's not clear to me whether they should be P. rubicundus, P. rugulosus, a different species, or a combination (I suspect but have no evidence that there's a couple of P. rugulosus + a new species). There's 1343 P. rugulosus observations right now, so that means that only roughly 70 out of 1343 observations (5.2%) should go back to rubicundus. Including the Australian ones, that would be 120/1343 (or >9%)

Personally I think that reversing the change would make things more confusing, so keeping the change makes the most sense to me. This change isn't as good as the one that James proposed, but it is petty much the one I originally suggested. I'll refrain from IDing them until a decision is made.

Anotado por davidenrique hace cerca de 4 años

I'll revert it

Anotado por loarie hace cerca de 4 años

I think that the concensus is that reverting will be more of a problem than leaving it.

Anotado por tonyrebelo hace cerca de 4 años

ha - shoot. Well too late. Its been reverting for the last half hour not sure how long it will take.

Anotado por loarie hace cerca de 4 años

ok this has been reverted moving the discussion here https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/479865.

Anotado por loarie hace cerca de 4 años

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